Mgtow Values's video: incels: Proto-men Listening Post

I agree in the Black Pill view and I agree in incels having the correct analysis. I agree that MGTOW lacks something for incels. There is much cross over between the MGTOW Red Pill and the incel Black Pill. If we may state a loose motto for MGTOW it might be sanity, freedom and self-preservation; but for incel it would be "end the silence, end the isolation, end the invisibility". What I found recently in researches and discussions is that MGTOW and incel agree that the dating market is messed up with the entitlement and rampanthypergamy of women, making it difficult for regular men to get an even shake. The women are all Chad Widows, which the incels refer to as an Alpha Widow. But whereas MGTOW will shrug this difficulty off and understand why women seek Chad/Tryron and thus go one's own way, the incel view this inability as being sent on one's way. This difference, I believe, stems from MGTOW knowing that they are the prize, and this information about a man's self-worth is lacking in incel. Thus, while MGTOW will say that a man's value is higher than what current western women can provide || the juice is not worth the squeeze || incels have no such paradigm as they do not have an experiential understanding of a man's value. incels rightly view MGTOW as having had some genuine interaction with women that allows them to gain a positive self-valuation, but the current situation for young men over the past say 15 years is of toxicity in schools, of hyper political correctness, of metoo, of sexual deviance and decadance in common parlance, of a lack of trust between all elements of the community, of broken homes and single mothers, of ritalin, of a lack of dating for most young men. In short, there has been created an invisibility, a silence and an isolation of so many men such that they cannot experience what it means to have earned respect or authentic attention of others such as to give them the central kernel to create a self-identity able to see themselves as the prize. incels crave external validation, whereas MGTOW reject the need for external validation, precisely because MGTOW had had such external validation earlier in their lives, allowing them to form an independent self-directed validation. incels are not able to create that self-directed validation as they have had no authentic experience on which to found an inner trust and resilent self-identity to withstand being ignored by women, or pitied by men who have women eye-candy on their arms. Upon learning of women's inner programming of Briffault's Law, a MGTOW will only harden his position that the juice is not worth the squeeze, while an incel will not care and view this quid pro quo as acceptable. Any characterization of the danger of getting together with a woman in today's legal system, is unimportant to an incel, as the silence, isolation and invisibility are worse than any potential downside of meeting up in an authentic willing bond of incel and woman. This meeting up will then allow an incel to experience his essential worth - that value behind the face - and be able to activate a self-identity as he would now have external confirmation that such a value exists. Lookism is indeed worse that racism - and women today are so superficial that large swaths of men are judged and bypassed purely by looks and young men in their isolated toxic upbringings never get anyone to really look under the surface to point out the inner power of men, the essential eternal being of a man, and thus the Black Pill is like a funeral dirge to the unborn man, to a man unworthly even to be disposed of. There is not yet even a man but a Proto-man. And yet, incel and MGTOW together decry the pathetic futile efforts of simps to throw their money at e-thots and women on the hopeless chance of some interaction. Prostitutes cannot substitute for authentic genuine interactions sufficient to activate the man within. Simps are slaves of hopelessness: incels at least recognize that a complete breakdown in the system will break the spell that the unfettered hypergamous women today have fallen under. Once out of that spell, they can then activate in men their self-worth, and incel will then come to know, at least in MGTOW terms, that they are the prize. So, is it the case that only women can unlock the experience for proto-men that they are the prize, thus making them men? No. Today there are no easy avenues for boys to be boys and through authentic interaction with other boys that they have inner value. Neither today in schools or in work or in social or family life do avenues for boys to prove themselves to themselves readily exist. There have been so many examples for MGTOW of men who have not garnered the affections of a woman and yet produced greatness and were men around a table with other men. incels today have had almost all roads for inner growth closed to them and so they feel that the isolation, silence and invisibility can only be stopped ...